09/10/2025 By CNCBUL UK EDITOR Off

Technical Evaluation Guide: How to Identify a Quality Used, Secondhand, Pre-Owned, Surplus Doosan Puma TT1800SY CNC Turning Center made in South Korea

1. Baseline Specifications & Key Features (What to Expect)

Before you inspect, you should have (or ask the seller for) the original specification / build sheet so you know what the machine should be. Here are typical specs / features for the TT1800SY (drawn from used-machine ads and manufacturer product pages) to use as reference:

ParameterTypical / NominalNotes / Sources
Chuck / Bar capacity8 in (≈ 230 mm)DN Solutions spec page
Max turning diameter~ 230 mm (9 in)
Max turning length~ 230 mm (9 in)(depending on variant)
X travel(Upper / Lower turrets) — typical ~ 165 mm
Y travel~ 100 mm
Z travel~ 700 mm
Rapid traverse speeds~ 787 ipm in X, ~ 944 ipm in Z (or metric equivalent)seen in used listings
Spindle speed5,000 rpmMany listings list 5,000 rpm spindles
Spindle power / motor~ 30 hp (≈ 22 kW)Several ads list 30 hp for main / sub spindles
Turret configurationUpper + lower turrets, often each 24 stations (total ~48)Many used ads list “24 + 24 (48 total)” turret config
Indexing / turret time~0.15 secondsIn used ads
Sub-spindle / C-axis, live tooling, Y-axisMany variants include sub-spindle, C-axis indexing, live tools, Y axisAds often mention “dual spindle / dual turret / Y axis / live tooling” capabilities
Control systemLikely Fanuc or Doosan proprietary / hybrid control (Fanuc 31i etc.)Some used ads mention Fanuc 31i or other Fanuc variants

Why this matters: If the actual machine deviates significantly from these, either it’s a different variant, some features have been removed or modified, or it’s misrepresented. Always compare to the build sheet.

Also note that the “SY” suffix often indicates “Sub-spindle / Y axis” or more advanced multitasking capabilities.


2. Document & History Review

Before stepping into the shop floor, request and review the machine’s paperwork:

  • Original build sheet / factory spec document — confirms exactly which options (live tooling, Y-axis, sub-spindle, coolant, chiller, robot interface etc.) were supplied.
  • Service / maintenance logs — ideally showing dates, hours, parts replaced, spindle rebuilds, alignment verifications, vibration tests, overhaul events.
  • Operating hours — total hours, and if possible the “cutting hours” separately (idle hours vs under load).
  • Repair / modification history — e.g. turret rebuilds, spindle replacement, crash repairs, retrofits.
  • Control / CNC backups — program archives, parameter backups, version history.
  • Parts / consumables usage records — whether OEM or non-OEM parts were used.
  • Calibration reports — past laser, ballbar, alignment or geometric measurement reports.

A machine with consistent, detailed, credible documentation is far safer to evaluate than one with vague or missing history.


3. Visual / Structural Inspection (Cold)

Start with a cold, unpowered inspection. Structural, cosmetic, and external faults often reveal underlying issues.

Exterior & Structure

  • Look for cracks, weld repairs, distortions in the bed, headstock, turret supports, saddle, column (if any), base, and frame.
  • Inspect for surface corrosion, pitting, rust — especially on rails, guideways, turret faces, dovetail surfaces, tool slide faces.
  • Check whether guarding, covers, way wipers, bellows, chip guards, splash guards are present and intact. Missing or damaged covers often allow ingress of chips, coolant, abrasives.
  • Examine cable carriers, hoses, wire conduits: fraying, abrasion, exposed wiring is a red flag.
  • Look for signs of coolant leaks (stains, residue, corrosion) around pumps, piping, fittings, around turret base, under machine.
  • Inspect the turret faces and turret body for any misalignment, deformation, gap, or signs of prior hit / repair.

Turrets & Tooling Mounts

  • Check the turret faces for wear, pitting, or damage at the tool pocket seating surfaces.
  • Look for uneven surfaces or mismatches of tool pocket geometry.
  • Inspect turret indexing drives, cam faces, indexing motors, gripper arms, sensors, and mechanical limit switches.

Spindle Housings & Chucks

  • Inspect spindle nose surfaces for corrosion, wear, rust, or signs of heat damage.
  • Look at the mounting for collet chucks, backplates, roots of spindle, any weld repairs or machining modifications.
  • Inspect sub-spindle (if present) similarly.

Fasteners, Joints, Access Covers

  • Check that all major structural fasteners are original, intact, properly torqued — no missing, mismatched, or jury-rigged bolts.
  • Access covers should open/close properly; hinges, seals, gaskets should be intact.
  • Check for signs of mishandling or bending / misalignment in covers or frames.

4. Mechanical / Kinematic Checks (Cold / Manual)

With the machine still powered off (but in a safe condition for movement), perform mechanical checks:

Slideways, Guides & Ball Screws

  • Jog or move each linear axis (X, Y, Z, and any secondary axes) slowly and carefully through full travel. Feel for binding, sticking, gritty motion, “catch points,” or irregular resistance.
  • Check for backlash by reversing direction and measuring lost motion. Excessive backlash may indicate worn ball screws, worn nut, or drive train weakness.
  • Use dial indicators or test indicators to check straightness, flatness, and pitch error along axes.
  • Inspect ball screw threads (worm / ball screw) for wear, marks, pitting, or damage.
  • Check nut housings for looseness or play.
  • Examine guide rails (linear guide blocks, roller guides, LM guides) for pitting, scoring, rust, or uneven wear patterns.
  • Check lubrication supply points: are oil / grease lines intact, no blockages, and evidence that lubrication has been delivered.

Turret / Tool Change Mechanism

  • Cycle the turret in indexing mode (by hand or slow jog) through all pockets. Observe motion: smoothness, stick/slip, hesitation, alignment.
  • Listen/feel for any binding or missed indexes.
  • Check turret locking actuators, clamp mechanisms, alignment pins, sensors, limit switches.
  • Inspect drive coupling, gears, cams, and clutch systems (if applicable).

Spindle / Sub-spindle Bearings & Runout (Cold)

  • Mount a known good toolholder or test bar (clean, well seated), rotate by hand or low rpm (if safe) and check for radial and axial play. There should be minimal to none.
  • Using a dial indicator, measure runout at the tool tip or a known surface. Excessive runout is a red flag.
  • Inspect the spindle taper surface for pitting, discoloration, corrosion, burn marks, uneven wear.
  • Perform a “spot test” by applying a thin film of dye or marking compound, seating a toolholder lightly, rotating slightly, and pulling — the contact pattern should be uniform (i.e. consistent across the taper surface).
  • Check drawbar mechanism, tool retention / clamping mechanism, and check whether it moves smoothly or has slop.

Auxiliary Systems (Coolant, Chips, Hydraulics)

  • Inspect coolant system (pump, piping, nozzles, filters, sumps). Look for sludge, impurity, leaks, corrosion.
  • Inspect chip conveyor / chip removal, chip augers, conveyors, belts, motors. Test whether they move freely.
  • Examine hydraulic / pneumatic circuits (if present): cylinders, hoses, valves, pressure regulators, seals, leaks.
  • Test the lubrication / grease / oil auto-lube system: whether all points are receiving lubricant, any dry zones, pump health.

5. Power-On / Dynamic / Functional Tests

Power up the machine (observing all safety procedures) and verify electronic, motion, and functional behavior under dynamic conditions.

Control & CNC Systems

  • Power up the control, check for error alarms, fault logs, memory errors, disabled axes, parameter mismatches.
  • Test all operator panel keys, touchscreen / display, overrides, MPG (manual pulse generator), emergency stop, jog/MDA/MDI modes.
  • Execute homing cycles, reference moves, axis zeroing, offset functions.
  • Load a simple motion program (no load) to move all axes in combination (X, Z, Y, any secondary axes) and verify smooth motion, no stalling, no alarms.
  • Check if all limit switches, interlocks, safety circuits, guards, door sensors, etc., are functioning.

Axis Motion & Accuracy Under Power

  • Run a “box motion” or grid motion test: move in X, then Z, then return, then combine motion, and measure deviation from start point (using indicator or laser).
  • Test positioning accuracy and repeatability (e.g. move to a point multiple times, measure deviation).
  • Monitor axis acceleration and deceleration behavior for overshoot, jerk, or instability.
  • Test under light cutting load (soft material) to see dynamic behavior (vibration, chatter, stability).

Spindle Performance & Under Load Test

  • Ramp spindle from low rpm to high rpm (e.g. up to ~5,000 rpm) and back, listening for bearing noise, vibration, abnormal sound.
  • Monitor temperature of spindle housing, bearings, headstock area during use.
  • Apply a light cutting load (in soft material) and observe how it holds rpm, whether torque dips, whether overheating or chatter arises.
  • Check spindle torque consistency, power draw, acceleration under load.
  • Verify tool changing operations under full control: tool change cycles, turret indexing, tool pick / place motions — they should be smooth, reliable, repeatable.

Simultaneous / Multitask Operations

Because TT1800SY is a multitask machine (dual turrets, possibly dual spindles, Y axis, live tooling), test simultaneous operation:

  • Run both turrets (upper & lower) simultaneously in different operations, e.g. face on one turret while OD turning on the other, and check interference, synchronization, stability.
  • Test sub-spindle handoff (if present) — check part transfer, chucking/un-chucking operations, timing, alignment.
  • Test any live tooling / milling functions: start up, at speed, under light load, monitor vibration, verify tool stability.
  • If Y-axis is present, test cross-axis motion (e.g. tool moving off-center), verify Y-axis backlash, responsiveness, stability.

6. Geometric / Alignment Verification

Precision and accuracy depend on maintaining proper geometry. Use metrology tools (laser interferometer, ballbar, autocollimator, granite squares) to verify:

  • Straightness of X, Z, Y axes over full travel.
  • Squareness / perpendicularity: e.g. move in X then Z, measure if motion plane is flat.
  • Pitch error, yaw error, linear deviation, pitch variation, taper errors.
  • Check concentricity of both spindles (main / sub) relative to bed / axes.
  • Check alignment between upper and lower turrets (that both tool axes are coplanar / aligned).
  • For sub-spindle, check coaxial alignment between main and sub when handing off parts.
  • Measure turret face runout / alignment of pocket seats.
  • Compare measured geometries to machine tolerance or original spec — a small deviation is tolerable; large or erratic ones are red flags.

7. Key “Red Flags” & Warning Signs

When inspecting, watch closely for:

  1. Excessive backlash in axes or turret drive which cannot be corrected reasonably.
  2. Severe wear, pitting, scoring, or corrosion on guideways, ball screws, turret faces, spindle taper.
  3. Spindle bearing noise / vibration / wobble — signs of worn bearings or impending failure.
  4. Uneven taper contact or damage on spindle nose, meaning poor tool seating.
  5. Turret indexing errors, alignment errors, hesitation or failure to index in some pockets.
  6. Failed or intermittent electronics / control errors / parameter mismatches — frequent alarms or instability.
  7. Poor motion under dynamic load: chatter, instability, lost steps, stalling.
  8. Severe thermal drift — geometry changing significantly during warm-up period.
  9. Missing covers, damaged way wipers / bellows — internal components may be exposed to contamination.
  10. Evidence of crash / impact damage — distorted frames, bent parts, weld repairs.
  11. Non-OEM or undocumented modifications that alter structure, axis limits, or safety.
  12. Unreliable or missing maintenance / service logs — lack of traceability.
  13. Hard-to-source parts (if exotic or deprecated components) — may hamper repairs.

If any of these are present, demand mitigation (repair, discount, warranty) or consider walking away.


8. Repair / Refurbishment Cost Estimation & Risk Buffer

Before making an offer, budget for potential restoration tasks:

  • Spindle bearing replacement or spindle refurbishment.
  • Ball screw nut replacement or regrinding.
  • Re-scraping or realignment of guideways.
  • Turret rebuild (index drives, cam surfaces, grippers).
  • Replacement of covers, bellows, wipers, cable carriers.
  • Control / electronics overhaul, drive / motor replacements.
  • Calibration, laser alignment, geometry measurement, certification.
  • Shipping, rigging, installation and test at your site.

Leave a margin in your negotiation to cover these likely costs.


9. Acceptance, Test Runs & Risk Mitigation

To reduce your risk, do the following as part of your purchase agreement:

  • On-site test run / “warm-up / burn-in” period (e.g. 8–24 hours) under light production conditions to reveal latent issues.
  • Acceptance criterion: axis accuracy, spindle behavior, part machining test (run a sample part).
  • Guarantee / warranty clause for major components (spindle, turret, drives) for a short period post-installation.
  • Require as-is test cuts before purchase; ideally bring your own sample workpiece and measuring tools.
  • Third-party inspection: hire a trusted machine-tool inspector or metrology service to validate your findings.