24/09/2025 By CNCBUL UK EDITOR Off

Avoid Costly Mistakes: Professional Tips for Purchasing a Pre-Owned / Second-Hand / used Hermle C600 U CNC 5-Axis Machining Center

Buying a used Hermle C600 U (5-axis CNC machining center) can offer great value—but only if you do your homework. This is a high-precision, complex machine; hidden defects or mismatches can lead to very expensive repairs or poor performance. Below is a professional-level list of tips, checks, and red flags to guide you toward a safe, informed purchase.


Why extra diligence matters (and a baseline spec set)

Before diving into checks, it helps to know what typical specs look like so deviations stand out as red flags.

Typical specs & features (for Hermle C600 U)

From one used listing (Franke CNC) and market sources:

  • Travel / working envelope: ~ X = 600 mm, Y/Z = 450 mm each
  • Spindle: up to ~12,000 rpm (some variants claim up to 15,000 rpm)
  • Tool magazine: 30 pockets (ATC)
  • Table / rotary axes: Swiveling trunnion table (A, C axes) with full 360° C, ±110° A range
  • Spindle torque, drive ranges, tool capacities: e.g. torque ~90 Nm, tool diameter limits ~80 mm (or larger when pockets empty)
  • Control: Heidenhain TNC 430 in one listing
  • Features: coolant-through-spindle (CTS), Renishaw probe, direct measuring systems, glass scales & encoders on axes

Use this as a “reference fingerprint” for the machine you’re inspecting. If something is wildly off (e.g. only 400 mm X travel), ask for justification or modifications.


What to check (on-site / in person) — structured approach

Below is a recommended inspection roadmap, from documentation through live testing to negotiation safeguards.

1. Documentation, history & ownership

  • Service / maintenance logs: Look for periodic calibrations, spindle overhauls, axis repairs, way-lay coating maintenance, etc.
  • Original manuals, parts list, wiring / circuit diagrams, parameter backups: You want the full suite — missing documents are a red flag.
  • Factory modifications / retrofits: Did the seller or previous owners retrofit drives, replace the control, upgrade axes, or change spindle? Ask for change records.
  • Hours / cycles / uptime: Unlike simple machines, a 5-axis spends many hours idle or in repositioning — knowing spindle on hours, table motion hours, etc., is valuable.
  • Parts & support availability: Hermle is still active in many markets, but older or customized components (rotary axis, encoders, measuring systems) might be obsolete or expensive.
  • Spare parts package or warranty: Negotiate inclusion of critical spares (e.g. seals, axis encoders, spindle bearing set) or at least a short guarantee.

2. Visual & mechanical inspection (power off)

This is where you spot wear, neglect, or “cosmetic cover-ups.”

  • Structural condition: Check for cracks, weld repairs, dented castings, or signs of structural stress.
  • Guideways / slides / linear rails: Look for wear, scratches, pitting, scoring. Remove covers / bellows and inspect the full length.
  • Ball screws / lead screws / rotary drives: Look for backlash, wear grooves, irregularity, noise, or backlash when manually reversing direction.
  • Spindle / taper / drawbar / tool holder: Inspect the spindle nose, check for damage or wear, and check for axial / radial play (with careful manual force).
  • Encoders / scales / feedback devices: Glass scales or linear encoders must be pristine; scratches or dust ingress can cause errors.
  • Wipers, seals, bellows, way covers: These protect sensitive axes — if they’re damaged or missing, expect debris ingress over the years.
  • Coolant and CTS (coolant-through-spindle) system: Inspect tanks, filters, lines for clogging, sludge, corrosion, leaks.
  • Electrical cabinet / wiring / connectors / drives: Open up the cabinets — look for signs of overheating, scorching, replaced wiring, cable routing, cleanliness, dust, or smell of burnt insulation.
  • Servos, amplifiers, and drive modules: Check for missing modules, mislabelled modules, aftermarket modules or splices.
  • Rotary table bearings, axis, trunnion: Manually can you move/tilt the table? Do you feel smoothness or grit?
  • Tool magazine / tool changer mechanism: Check physically for stiffness, alignment, broken pins, misalignment, broken fingers.

3. Power-up, movement tests, dynamic checks

After the cold-check stage, move to dynamic tests, always under controlled supervision.

  • Controlled power-up & diagnostics: Monitor currents, voltages, fault logs, drive alarms, initial error messages.
  • Homing / referencing: Does the machine home correctly on all axes? Are limit switches and homing sensors functional?
  • Axis jogging / movement: Move axes at slow, medium, and faster speeds — listen/feel for binding, chatter, hesitation.
  • Rapid traverse (rapids) test: Move between extremes to see if axes stay accurate, check for lost steps or sag.
  • Backlash / reversal error: Reverse directions and measure positional deviation (e.g. using indicator or internal diagnostic routines).
  • Simultaneous 5-axis motion: Run a test program with combined axes, and observe if axes stay in sync, no lags, hysteresis, or creeping.
  • Spindle ramp-up / stability: Bring spindle to different rpm levels (e.g. 1000, 6000, 10000 rpm) and listen for vibration, noise, temperature rise, or imbalance.
  • CTS / coolant flow test: Check coolant-through-spindle lines, pressure, leaks, and whether flow is proper at different rpm.
  • Tool change cycle: Cycle tool changes, check speed, alignment, tool pick/release, and any intermediate movements.
  • Probe / measurement routines: If the machine has a probe (e.g. Renishaw), test its probing cycle and feedback to the control.
  • Thermal stabilization / warm-up: Let the axes rest or run light cycles for 30–60 minutes to see drift or creeping behavior.

4. Metrology & precision validation

To see whether the machine can still deliver close to its original precision:

  • Ballbar / circularity test: Run a circle in X/Y, X/Z, Y/Z planes and evaluate deviation. (Often done by third-party instrumented test services.)
  • Laser interferometer checks: If available, use a laser interferometer to measure straightness, pitch error, yaw, squareness, and thermal compensation behavior.
  • Geometric tests on the rotary table / trunnion: Check A/C axis indexing, backlash, wobble, tilt, and repeatability.
  • Cut a test part / benchmark geometry: Run a known test program (e.g. a stepped part, bore + pocket + wall) and measure critical dimensions and surface finish.
  • Reverse cutting / symmetric testing: Use reverse-sided operations to see if the machine’s errors cancel (this helps detect misalignment or “knee drift” issues).

5. Infrastructure & installation compatibility

Even a perfect machine can be a disaster if your shop can’t support it.

  • Foundation / floor / vibration isolation: The machine’s weight and dynamic loads demand proper base stiffness, damping, and leveling.
  • Power / voltage / phase / frequency: Confirm compatibility (e.g. 400 V 50 Hz vs 480 V 60 Hz). Check the quality of the power supply, noise, grounding.
  • Cooling / chiller / HVAC: For precision, temperature control and cooling systems must match. Check shop’s environmental stability.
  • Compressed air, dust/chip removal, lubrication systems: Ensure your facility can support the machine’s requirements.
  • Access, rigging, transport: Entry dimensions, crane capacity, floor loading must all be feasible. Improper rigging can damage the machine before you even start.
  • Network, software, communication interfaces: Check Ethernet, fieldbus, probe interfaces, DNC, CAM connections — you want them compatible with your shop environment.

6. Negotiation, contract & warranty leverage

  • “Inspection before acceptance” clause: Insist on a window (e.g. 30 days) to perform acceptance tests after delivery.
  • Holdback / escrow payment: Deduct a portion until the machine passes functional and accuracy tests on your floor.
  • Spare parts / consumables inclusion: Ask for a baseline spares kit (seals, filters, sensors, encoders, belts) or at least a guarantee for critical spares.
  • Warranty / repair guarantee: Even in used sales, some sellers may extend limited warranties on spindles, drives, or rotary axes.
  • Transport / insurance liability: Clarify who bears risk in transit; insist on proper crating, vibration dampers, shock monitors.
  • Acceptance test at your site: Define in contract the tests you will perform (e.g. circle tests, tool change cycles, accuracy verification) and the passing criteria.
  • As-is disclaimers: Be cautious of “as-is, no returns” offers unless you’re confident; always try to retain some recourse.

Red flags and warning signals

  • Seller refuses a live inspection, or only offers pictures.
  • Missing or partial documentation, parameter files, or drawings.
  • Unusual wear on guideways, evidence of poor lubrication, or metal debris accumulation.
  • Spindle noise, wobble, or vibration during ramp-up.
  • Axes that lag, drift, or lose synchronization during simultaneous motion.
  • Tool changer or magazine misalignment, stuck tools, or inconsistent change cycles.
  • Rotary table backlash, indexing errors, or wobble in the trunnion.
  • Modified drives or hardware of nonstandard or unsupported type without recording.
  • Electrical cabinet damage, burn marks, “jerry-rigged” wiring.
  • Unknown or non-existent spare part sources.
  • Seller refuses acceptance tests after installation, or insists “no returns.”